Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13287253)

It's really cool. We get to explore this whole fresh idea now of, like, what if Vader had overthrown the Emperor.

Far, far more interesting than setting up a rehash of Jedi.

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 13287343)

Waiting for the 5:00 showing to start. :rockon:

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 13287399)

There are parts of Last Jedi that are obvious re-hashes of ROTJ, and parts that are clearly ESB....almost as if Rian was like "**** it, let's get the rehashing out of the way so we can explore new ground".

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 13287343)

Waiting for the 5:00 showing to start. :rockon:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 13287174)

Here's the problem with this movie and the way it has structured the universe: it's a nihilistic exercise.

The plot was in many ways an elaborate troll job--Who are Rey's parents? Doesn't matter. What was Snoke's background? Doesn't matter. Who is the guy with the flower on his lapel? Doesn't matter.

In moderation, that is fine, but when it's done over and over again, it's thematic trolling.

If the Force continually brings balance and all of the characters die in some interaction related to its balancing, then their actions are meaningless in light of the future plot developments, because they are nothing but pawns.

If Anakin Skywalker exists to bring balance to the Force, and in the process both contributes to the creation and destruction of a galactic empire, that arc has meaning. If things immediately go to shit afterwards and the First Order replaces the Empire and continues doing Empire things, then his actions accomplish nothing.

If Luke pushes Vader back to the light and brings him redemption, then his actions have value. If immediately thereafter the empire that he destroys returns with different branding, and he lives his remaining time as an exile, his original actions accomplished nothing.

The challenge these writers were presented with was to grow the universe and present new, compelling stories. Good writers can accomplish that without sacrificing the meaning of the preceding stories in the process. Bad writers can't.

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 13287479)

YOu're gonna miss the start of the game but maybe that is the idea?

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13287407)

He ran through the old setpieces and had completely different outcomes.

It was genius.

Now Abrams is forced to be creative. :D

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 13287635)

I did enjoy the movie but but but but something annoyed me.


Kylo Ren hardly wore his helmet that made him look bad ass as ****. No he goes and destroys his own helmet and didn't wear another one. This pisses me off because don't they learn anything in movies give us what we want? I don't know if anyone else give a **** what I'm saying but they wanted to just show his face I get that doesn't change I wanted to see him fight with his helmet on.

Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 13287677)

I really hope Abrams does his best to Retconn what happened in TLJ and just go full board on a Fan service apology tour for the last movie.

Originally Posted by oaklandhater (Post 13287677)

I really hope Abrams does his best to Retconn what happened in TLJ and just go full board on a Fan service apology tour for the last movie.

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 13287635)

Kylo Ren hardly wore his helmet that made him look bad ass as ****.

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 13287635)

I did enjoy the movie but but but but something annoyed me.


Kylo Ren hardly wore his helmet that made him look bad ass as ****. No he goes and destroys his own helmet and didn't wear another one. This pisses me off because don't they learn anything in movies give us what we want? I don't know if anyone else give a **** what I'm saying but they wanted to just show his face I get that doesn't change I wanted to see him fight with his helmet on.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 13287732)

Amazing. Everything you just said is wrong.