Exactly. The same with “Lamar should have ran more”. There was a reason he didn’t. I’ve watched the replays and I haven’t seen all those opportunities for Lamar to take off. The one that’s consistently shown is the strip sack but 1) Bateman was open on a deep crosser, Lamar just waited to long to pull the trigger and 2) Lamar didn’t see the pressure. And the pass plays were open. Lamar just couldn’t make the throws. If we gave Burrow or Allen those same looks we would have gotten blown out.

Chiefs dared Lamar to beat them with his arm and he couldn’t. Simple as that. And not at all surprising.

Mahomes is Mahomes. With a win Sunday he has no equal.

I don't think you can say that you planned to run a lot, and only attempt 8 rushes in the entire game, especially in such a low scoring contest. They even disregarded running the ball on 3rd and short, getting Lamar popped in the process.

If this is what happened, tgat Harbaugh blinked after just 2 possessions, then it almost has to be a fireable offense for Harbaugh, to flat give up on the overwhelming strength of his team, and ask his qb to do something he's just not built to do, and that is be a one dimensional dropback passer for the entire game.

That's a tall task for elite throwers of the football, to have success based on passing attack with no support from the run.

A guy like Lamar, just no shot.

Looked to me like LJ's lost a step already.

On the play he broke out into the open, he ran lookin over his shoulder til he got taken down from behind.

First time I've seen him do that.

Same, I'm not sure if he'd lost a step, or just hadn't fully committed, or what but I thought he was gone on the play that Sneed tracked him down.

When the opposing defenses gameplan involves "keeping the QB in the pocket and wanting him to beat them by throwing the football" you need to start looking elsewhere for a QB.

I mean the first part of that is still the major defensive strategy when going up against Mahomes.

But that’s just the best of a bunch of bad solutions

Chiefs put 8 in the box daring Lamar to throw. You can't pay a QB that much money and it be that easy to stop him

People sometimes talk about how certain players or people for that matter, have the "it" factor. So, Lamar Jackson doesn't have "it."

Crazy he's a two time MVP getting compared to a guy that's in the greatest QB of all time discussion.

Lamar will never win a title...sorry Raven fans. I see you piece of shits rooting on the Niners on their boards ROFL butthurt much?

Nobody would trade Mahomes for Lamar straight up.
Or Josh Allen. Or Joe Burrow.

Would you trade CJ Stroud for him? I wouldn't. Trevor Lawrence? Herbert? Nope. Nope.

Lamar is a unique talent, but you have to build an offense to suit his abilities. I don't want to put all my eggs in that basket.

It's what someone's going to have to do if they want to win with Justin Fields, too, he just can't run an NFL offense and beat you by making the reads and delivering the ball.

I might take a gamble on Herbert or Lawrence. They’re close to entering Jay Cutler territory and Lamar can at least win.

He's a Taysom Hill needing some Drew Brees

CJ Stroud is really one to watch. His sharp accuracy, arm strength, and mobility are all pretty impressive. Stroud is just 1 month older than Caleb Williams, but Stroud already has a full year of NFL experience including 2 Playoff games under his belt. He's only going to be 23 years old in the 2024 season. They have a young and enthusiastic coach leading the team. Could be a very high ceiling for Houston.

Not impressed with the mobility. He ran for fewer yards than Herbert and was sacked nearly 40 times. Stroud is like a black Matt Ryan.

He is much better at extending plays than Matt Ryan.

😂

No.

A rookie Ryan isn’t taking that roster to a 10-6 record and an AFCS title with a dominating win over the Browns.

Lol what? Ryan was a total statue

Only reason you're calling him a mobile QB is because his dad was black. Please. He's a standard drop back passer with average mobility. Mobility isn't his game beyond scrambling a few yards. His game is having a rocket arm and stepping up in the pocket (like Herbert or Ryan).

I will trade Trevor Lawrence for Lamar all day. Lawrence still has a lot to prove.

And if sick bed Joe Burrow is injured again next season, I don't think its even up for debate. I'll happily swap with Lamar.

Who gives a **** about his mobility? I don't give a shit about it.

The only reason you're calling him a black Matt Ryan is because he's black, ya jabroni.

And you'd get fired.

Lawrence does indeed have a lot to prove; unfortunately, Lamar has proven everything there is for him to prove. He ain't it.

Such a thing does not exist.

And WTF is a BenoniBenko?

I'm going to step outside normal banter here for a second.

I don't like your racist insinuation here.

I never said a thing about Stroud being mobile, or anything at all other than I'd rather take Stroud than Jackson. I'd also take Burrow, Herbert, Allen, Lawrence...probably two or three guys in this upcoming draft, and maybe even cheap vet FA reclamation projects or game managers than Jackson because Jackson has proven to me that he's not a guy you can get to a Super Bowl with, especially not if you're paying him huge money.

I said nothing about race at all.

I said nothing about mobility.

Ummmm ok? What’s the context for this?

Jim Harbaugh's wife trying to motivate him.

They actually had a segment on ESPN speculating how many Super Bowls Lamar would have if he had the same coaching as Mahomes. You can’t make this shit up. Lamar is coddled like no other athlete I’ve ever seen. The excuses for him never stop.

I think he's enjoying a Ravens fan melting down in his comments and chose this thread to share.

All of the also-rans during this Mahomes era have been asked that question.

Bills fans do it CONSTANTLY with Allen. I know I've seen some ESPN segment squabbling about Burrow if he had been drafted to the Chiefs and if Mahomes had been drafted to the Bengals. And you just watch-- if CJ Stroud continues to improve but the Texans just kind of **** around like the Bills did, they'll ask the same question out of him. "Gee... he improved a terrible team so much his rookie season, but what if he had Andy Reid and that offense in his first year as a rookie??? Can you imagine!"

Mahomes is so good he's convinced the whole world that KANSAS-****ING-CITY is the place to go for a quarterback to be successful.

You seem to be getting very worked up by journalists trying to engage people like you whom otherwise would be bored after having enjoyed the fruits of Mahomes.. Relax, my friend, and bathe in success.

Yes.

What was funny to me is he started on the Ravens "**** you Baltimore" video and then moved on to a Taylor Swift Bears video and a short Super Bowl call video LMAO

Ravens fan enjoying the whole channel!

JFC, Andy's a genius, not a miracle worker.

This thread may have raised a relevant question when it started in 2020.

But now the answer is so obvious the question is nonsensical. It’s Mahomes in a landslide. I don’t see how anybody who follows football could see it differently.

The question is a little bit more relevant if you put the comparison against Allan or maybe even Burroughs [although he has to get beyond the injury issues] and while mahomes obviously beats them out as well the question is maybe relevant to ask. It’s not relevant to ask about Jackson.

Allen is the only one in the league who can somewhat mimic the throws Mahomes makes.

He's #2 imo.

1. Mahomes
2. Allen
3. Stroud
4. Burrow
5. Jackson

Not really.

Mahomes is breaking the numbers of all time greats now. He's not only a class above all QB's of his time he's also knocking down records of ALL TIME greats. Brady, Montana, you name it. Not even they are safe from falling...

Yes, some of my favorite NFL QBs, Jawsh Allan and Jeaux Burroughs.

So do the Ravens, Bills, Jaguars.... Have to defect to the NFC or just their QBs. Stop whining like a 49er and get it done

/Holthus

I would venture to guess the same coaching that Mahomes has wouldn't hitch themselves to Lamar's wagon. How long has Lamar been around to know that you shouldnt throw into triple coverage, let alone in the playoffs, let alone in the endzone, let alone on a potentially game winning drive, and he still does it... every single ****ing year.

Andy wasn't able to get it done with McNaab. I was just a pup then but in my opinion Donovan was a better pure qb than Lamar. It was a different era but still. Andy isn't going with just any QB. It's a perfect match of head coach and QB. They accent each other perfectly like has never been seen. Lamar doesn't have the IQ for this play book and I doubt Allen does either. Maybe its just an assumption but Joshs deer in the headlights look and Lamars inability to speak like an adult give me pause.

The A version of Allen is as good as the A version of Mahomes.

The B version f Allen is close, but not quite as good as Mahomes.

The C version of Allen is more frequently seen than the C version of Mahomes and nowhere near as good as the C version of Mahomes. C Allen will lose his team football games. C Mahomes will just go out there and not actively win them (he becomes solid but unspectacular while taking nothing off the table; 'bad' Mahomes is essentially good Alex).

The D version of Allen is a laughable catastrophe that surfaces a 2-3 times/season. The D version of Mahomes doesn't exist.

What distinguishes the two isn't how good they are at their best - that's neck and neck. It's how often they're that good and then how good they are when they AREN'T at their best.

Perfectly described and stated!

:clap:

Lamar and Allen can do no wrong with their fan bases. A season in New York would probably change their fire to a new level

I would take Trevor Lawrence over Lamar any day. He’s still young and you could make the argument the Urban Meyer debacle stunted his rookie season. This year he took a bit of a step back although injuries may have played a role but I really liked what I saw from him the season before where he led the Jags to a huge comeback win over the Chargers in the playoffs something Lamar only wishes he could accomplish. I still think Lawrence has a chance to have a good career.

You got me curious so I looked into it.

Trevor is only 24.

Interesting tidbit: Joe Burrow, Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are all 27. Burrow is actually older than Jackson despite being drafted two years later! Crazy.

EDIT: Mahomes is only 28 but he’ll turn 29 basically a week into the season.

Trevor's still very young.

But man, he's really not developing much.

Through 3 seasons in the league the only difference between what Lawrence has done and what Daniel Jones did was volume.

But go ahead and adjust for volume and the numbers are pretty startling. And you can do that by comparing Jones first 4 seasons to Lawrence's first 3:

Jones -- 53 starts, 1113/1740 for 11,603 yards and a 60/34 TD/INT rate
Lawrence -- 50 starts, 1116/1750 for 11,770 yards and a 58/39 TD/INT rate

Now I'm not saying that Lawrence can't improve, but man he HAS to. He's just been a pillar of mediocrity through three seasons. When you don't have to do a whole hell of a lot to make Daniel Jones look like your equal, that has to be disconcerting for "The best QB prospect in a generation..."

This season was a massive disappointment for Lawrence and if he does it again, you have to start to wonder if he's even a top 10 quarterback in the league long-term.

Running back QBs have short lived careers anyway. What I don't get is why everyone was so excited about the RB they just signed? Seems like a huge waste of money when your QB is practically your RB

Thread should honestly be locked, this isn't a thing anymore and never will be again.

80% of Ravens fans buy Madden MUT packs

My brain knew this, but man, to see the numbers laid out like that is different. Whenever the Chiefs play the Jags, I'm never afraid of what Lawrence will do. I guess this puts a fine point on that feeling.

Exact reaction I had.

Saw those and just thought "Wow - I knew he was a little disappointing, but not Daniel Jones disappointing..."

But when you think about that game we played against them, it's not really all that surprising. Kid was flat out bad in that game. He left so many points on the field. His soph season showed some promising signs but even with the increased coaching stability and the addition of Ridley last year, he seemed to regress.

This is a MASSIVE season for Trevor Lawrence.

I’d say the flu game was an F game. I think he would too. That was just catastrophic!!

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28, and basically 2 plays away from 6 straight Super Bowls. We are living the life fellas!!!

He'll have 11 Super Bowls before he's done...

The only thing I would add is the Mahomes Mentality...in any version of Mahomes and Allen the deciding factor is Mahomes under pressure gets more focused and the will to win is stronger. With Allen when adversity hits he can get nervous, less focused and he let's doubt creep in.

And now Mahomes is in his head...no doubt.

After what Reid and Mahomes have done together I can't see why you are so pessimistic.

Disagree on one point "Nuclear A Game" Mahomes has never been replicated in NFL history, so no As aren't "even"

Lamar Jackson wasn't, isn't, and never will be better than Patrick Mahomes
 

Lamar doesn’t just get by on his athletic ability. Just look at a genius at work describing an old photo shoot

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...8534efd9c0.jpg

I agree. Or sorry.

That's from a newspaper photo shoot that he had in 2014. "We" he and his team, were "that" for real. He was a "Peezy" headed little ass "jit".

"jit" I know because that's just old school South Florida/Miami slang for kid.

this explains why his AFCCG INT was almost literally identical to the honey badger INT in 2021 LMAO

Mennonite with bling

Thanks

time for lamar to break

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So, he's giving up on the pocket passer experiment and going back to running around like an idiot...sounds like Joshy is going to do the same in Buffalo. Burrow is hurt. Will either 3 QB make it through the season?

His weight makes no difference, unless he found a way to increase his gray matter.

Lamar Crackson, might as well the meth(od) acting ain't working

Mahomes is just ****ing breaking perfectly solid QB's. It's crushing their will...

Dad bods win Super Bowls. What’s Lamar’s plan exactly?

MVP! MVP!

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