Can we just start with swinging at strikes, not balls? Baby steps!

We can dream some team will want him.

I have family members at the royals, they hated the signing.

Currently our so called stars are refusing to take extra bp. They don't need it. It will work itself out. Since the championship they believe they are stars.

This shit is a soria curse.

Anyone else get a chuckle that Garth brought out 4 Royals onstage Sat Night and sang "Friends in Low Places"?

Esky to leadoff? Well then, this should be the beginning of a 17-6 finish for the remainder of May to get us back to a game over .500.................

It was an embarrassment. These clowns would rather continue to live in the limelight than than actually work on their craft. They got spoiled.

I wont get mad like some did with the football Giants being at the beach on their off-day but it isn't a good look for Hoz and the royals to hype the garth appearance on twitter. in KC uniforms even

That would be too big an upgrade at once.


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I just read the game 5 world series thread, from 9th inning on. Man what a time. Here's to another World Series run in the next 5 years.

I mean, do you expect them to just practice all night long at night after they already played a game that day?

Not all night, but something more than the bar would be appreciated because they don't appear to give a shit.

But hey, we're up 7-2 so I'm sure Ned will say everything is fixed now, because he's the Hud of coaches.

This line of thinking is so ****ing stupid.

So you think that because they are having a bad year that they are not allowed to get out and have some fun?

You think that because they went to the Garth concert, that is positive proof that they "don't give a shit" about the game anymore?

I didn't say that. Just the opposite actually.
I just said it wasn't a good look to hype it on twitter.

Explain your comment. Why was it not a good look? And why does them wearing their uniforms matter?

I think I'm suggesting perhaps a little less time out, not "no" time out. Maybe even appearing to be frustrated.

I don't care about the concert, and I hope they had a good time.

Again, why does it matter? It's flawed thinking.

Are they supposed to tell Garth, "I appreciate the offer buddy, but we've been slumping all season and it might look bad if we are out having a good time."?

It doesn't make sense.

I didn't say they have to miss the concert, hell I din't know they went, but it does make sense. Some times you have to put in some extra time to get the business back on track.

How many hours a day should they be putting in?

Countdown to Jorge Soler's first MLB hit as a Royal continues! Meanwhile in Chicago, Wade Davis is putting up Eric Gagne numbers. 2-0, 14.1 innings, 18 strikeouts, and not a single earned run in 15 appearances. A 0.00 ERA and 7 saves.

This will go down as one of the most lopsided trades in franchise history. And holy shit that's saying a lot.

Yeah, 11 ABs into his career as a Royal is a large enough sample size to decide this. :rolleyes:

This thread is full of stupid lately.

But, was Soler at a concert recently? This is the real question

More than BP, warm-ups, and the game.

Look, I'm not going to put an exact number out there, but you're apparent assertion that they should just go about their lives the same at 11/20 as they would at 20/11 seems pretty nuts. And to appear to show any concern at being 11/20 when you "super competitive guys" seems a bit out of whack. Some folks may want to claim it's a poker face, other that it's irrelevant, others might think it means they don't care, but it's hardly what ultra competitive people do. I'm not asking them to burn down the locker room, but a few more knee-broken bats after swinging at balls might help. Even if it means nothing more than they'll need a new bat.

The truth is, you and I have no idea whatsoever how much time and work these guys are putting in. Sometimes it's too much. Sometimes you just have to get away and blow off steam, clear your mind.

I guess it was a super-tough spring training. But alas, you might be right, perhaps if they do nothing the awesome bus will drive up soon. Maybe it started tonight. Time will tell, but I'd prefer to see a little emotion during times like thus.

And I had already done the "3....2....1..... They're trying too hard" thing.

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note that I don't care what they do on off-time including going to concerts strip clubs or whatever.
but while they are stinking so bad and so far under expectations maybe they shouldn't publicize such free time fun. its a 'look at me' moment at a time when people who invest time and money watching and going to games are frustrated with them. wearing the unis is just kind of corny.
Going is fine. Hyping it on twitter is tone deaf is all.

I think glorydayz opinion is dumb. also the rest of the posts over the last few weeks that say stuff about how the players don't care. aside ffrom just having pride and wanting to win, not wanting to be benched, etc, they all have lots of reasons $$$ to care about their performance and effort.
and what, the pitching staff does care but the hitters don't? Makes no sense.

My only opinion on the concert just that it isn't a great idea to PUBLICIZE and hype the appearance on twitter while playing so poorly.

But! What did you think of Garths song they came out to? Appropo?

Dude, its a ****ing game. LMAO

These are adults who can make their own decisions.

this place isn't big on nuance. what does being adults who can make their own decisions have to do with anything?
I didn't say they shouldn't go, I didn't say it is a huge deal, I didn't say they should be in the batting cage.
I said its probably not a good idea to hype it when your customers are pretty frustrated with you

It does look like shit that they are out like nothing is wrong.

Assertions that this group isn't trying hard enough/doesn't care are way off base. If anything, they're trying too hard and pressing as a collective.

Relaxing and blowing off some steam is probably more what the team needs than more work. I get he idea that the optics of that/publicizing that may be too much. But These guys are highly motivated for this year, between contract years for so many and Ventura's death.

Re: Soler and Davis, way too early to draw any conclusions about that. It does indeed look like Wade Davis is healthy, which means he will be dominant.

But that wasn't a one-year deal. Soler has three years of control beyond this one and huge upside. That's what KC was trading on/for.


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Agreed on both items.

Also, thanks for putting together the positional breakdown in our Farm System. Very helpful. Hope you're felling better!

When did I ever say that they were "doing nothing"? You and I have no idea what they are and aren't doing outside of what the press is reporting.

Agree with Duncan

Trying way too hard offensively...these guys care... hopefully they can right this ship by the end of the month...if not hope they produce well enough to bring in good prospects

I don't know why anyone would ever take the Gil Meche route. Gil Meche was a lovable idiot to do that, especially since it was goddamn Trey Hillman's ****ing fault that Gil Meche had shoulder problems in the first place.

:cuss::cuss::cuss: **** you Trey Hillman, you ****ing ****! :cuss::cuss::cuss:

It's becoming at least a little more commonplace for players in Meche's position to opt to take a FO job their last year to help cut salary for the team.

It helps teams from a budgetary standpoint and serves as a launching pad for the next part of a player's career. With Gordo's history in KC, I'd say there's an outside shot that something like this happens for his last year of his contract if he keeps up this production through next season.

But there have been so many save situations this season!!! We need Wade more than we need a young power hitter with multiple years of control!!!!

Herrera has already blown two games giving up bombs in the 9th. And we are barely into May. It's not entirely unfair to say for this year it's looking dire.


I think Soler will produce in his time here but won't be shocked if he sucks. It was a boom/bust deal that small markets always have to make

Trading Wade was the right move.

But getting Soler in return was not.

His injury concerns reduced his value...that's why they only got Soler. I'm sure they asked for a prospect or two

The Cubs subreddit said the Royals wanted Baez before Wade's injury in the previous summer. The arm injuries (which are often precursors to TJS), were definitely detrimental to Wade's value.

With the exception of Hosmer. He's been about the worst player since last June. I'm sure the coaching staff was trying to get him to become more selective at the plate, but Hosmer was having none of it. It seems that his slump got so bad, he finally accepted the advice -- and the results are hardly surprising.

They'd never have given him up

Here's a question thinking about Alex' 72M deal: who's the biggest genius among the players? My candidates:

1) Big Panda Sandoval: grabs 5/95 from Boston, immediately eats himself into oblivion. Now in his Turd (that is third in poopspeak) year, has 579 combined PA with a -2.5 fWAR. Negative batting fielding and running metrics. No fat shaming please!


2) Matt Cain: grabs 5/127 from dupes in SF, using the "face of the franchise" threat. Tossed 1500IP prior 7 years, 350 so far into his 5th. 1.3 total WAR or 9.4M in value for 104M in pay


3) Bret Anderson. Took 1/15.8 from Dodgers last year and fired all of 11 innings before calling it a day. Has made 72M to throw 500IP last 6 years, producing 4.5 WAR. No Okie State alum has stolen this much money since T Boone Pickens. Oh, and he just went on the DL again for the Cubs after grunting out 22IP of 8.18 ERA


4) Rich Hill. Grabs 3/48 from Dodgers after putting up 110 IP last year. The prior 7 years he did 103 IP total. Tossed 8 IP this year before blisters put him on the shelf.


Honorable mention: Brandon Moss. 27M for 4 years including next. 1.4 total war, already counting days till he retires to a cabin to fish all day like Jeff King

LOLOLOL at the Cubs giving up Baez.

Yeah, Theo's response was pretty direct on that one, I'm sure.

LOL, it's easy to have your opinion, it's a little harder to have mine. We get it, you're a suck-up to the team. Maybe one day they'll invite you to a team BBQ because you were nice to them when they clearly appeared to not care when they were the worst team in baseball. Perhaps they'll give you a leg lamp.

There is no "they clearly appear to not care" going on here.

That's ****ing crazy talk.

I'm pretty sure we're seeing them not show any emotion or concern about being the worst team in baseball. Competitive people usually show a little something when they're this bad.

But we agree, what they're doing behind closed doors is a total mystery. But whatever it might be wasn't doing a lot of good until yesterday.

Let's hope the go on that 10-3 run.

You're right, one guy broke a bat over his knee...

Progress..

The stupidity around never ceases to amaze me.

Stupidity is to be expected. Doubling (and even tripling!) down on it is really dumb.

Sure. That doesn't mean you take a flier on a guy that has been given a few chances to cut it in the majors but doesn't produce when given said chances.

I'm sorry I've upset you. I just want a little emotion out of my team when they're sucking.

Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about.

You don't go from a team who wins it all predicated on basically caring and hard work to a team that just doesnt care in all of their free agency years, especially after a teammate dies.

They are pressing, use some common sense here. It seems as though tiger and sandy's idiocy is infecting some of you guys.

Here's the thing: Emotion is a fine edge to walk in baseball.

There's a reason "try easier" is one of the most commonly spoken phrases in high-level baseball. Thinking is often the enemy. Letting emotion into things for many guys leads to more thinking.

There value in having a calm, steady approach to things, especially when you're a position player with a track record of success.

They're frustrated by the start. That's obvious, just from little things. They're not out there, happy-go-lucky and not caring.


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I just got in on the tail-end of a replay of a discussion 810 (Petro) had with Jason Stark. From what I could tell, Stark said that many scouts felt that most knew what Alex Gordon's problems were at the plate, but that he was doing nothing to implement changes.

Sorry, but I didn't hear specifics other than something about "where his hands were" while batting. The sum and substance of what I took away from it was that Gordon was simply not doing anything to rectify his approach. Kinda makes sense as Gordon strikes me as a guy with an iron will (as evidenced by his dietary and workout protocols) who will not "cave in" to changing his approach to things.

Did anyone else hear these comments from Stark? If so, perhaps you could better explain what he was saying???

First, I don't think YV has anything to do with this. It's sad the the world lost YV, we all miss him, but swinging at balls because of it (if that's what you're suggesting) is quite a stretch.

I can appreciate the idea of pressing, and our #1 problem right now is what our guys are doing at the plate, and I'd expect to see see reports of the players asking for copious amounts of additional BP to help them start seeing the ball better.

And that's not even emotion, that's a reaction to knowing you need to improve, and perhaps comes after a few more broken bats.

Let's hope their calm approach started paying off and they don't regress.

And I just want them to stop sucking.

What I'm suggesting in regards to yv is the fact that they might be pressing to honor him.

They used up their entire allotment of May runs yesterday.

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At a position where you have a top prospect at also.

Let the magic continue!!

All of this drama and they are only 6 out. An OK May and they still in this thing.

Only 6 out?


That's like screwing a 4, and saying you're only 6 away from a 10.

My worst nightmare is the Royals being barely in it, not trading, then tanking in August/September and missing the playoffs, then we have 10 years of hell.

This is the worst case scenario. Whether or not they're buyers or sellers, the worst thing the Royals could do is stand pat at the deadline.

Why did Ned ever move Escobar out of the lead off spot? Clearly the team tries harder when he leads off.

It's actually good they are tanking at this time. If they waited to tank in August we'd be screwed.


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You mean Bonifacio? Or Dozier?

Neither really is a "top" prospect.

The Royals' return was limited by a few things: Davis' injury profile and the Royals' desire to get a ready-to-contribute player.

Long way to go before we know what's what with Soler. He has tremendous raw power and has displayed a good knowledge of the strike zone so far in his career, so I'm going to remain optimistic he can start to reach the potential that made him a consensus top 20 guy in all of baseball.


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Both. Just seemed like an odd position to fill in that trade.

Big difference there is that Dozier/Bonifacio's upsides top out as solid regular types, while Soler has All-Star potential.

I've been told they also looked at 2B as a return, and know they have talked specifically to San Francisco about Joe Panik. Not sure if they ever considered a Panik for Davis swap, but sure as glad it was for more than that.


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You don't like Panik???

Can you imagine how stoked we'd be if Raul was as good at the plate as Panik?

Wade Davis 0.00 ERA
Jorge Soler .000 avg

Joe Panik is a perfectly fine baseball player, but he's really just a guy, IMO.

At best, he's a solid regular. Whole four years of that would be an OK return for someone like Wade Davis and work out well in terms of value, it would kind of be the equivalent of eating unflavored steel cut oatmeal for breakfast.


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Man, I don't see that at all. Finally fixing our 2B with a 2 war guy for 4 years sounds great to me.

Thanks for the update. Be sure to come back and remind us every once in a while. 13 PA's into the guys Royals career and it's the worst trade of all-time. Smh.