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Jerm 03-06-2024 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17430432)
Did, um... you do the math on the Johnson model (which is outdated, BTW, and not as reliable as the Hill model)?

Because 1,050 - 590 - 270 = 190

Which on the Johnson chart is the 80th pick. So YOU are saying Sneed on his own isn't even worth the 80th pick in the draft. That you'd need more on top of Sneed to make it work.

His original proposal of Sneed being worth one of the last 3-4 picks in the first round is WAY more in reality than your assertion that he isn't even worth a mid-round 3.
If a team is trading a top 15 pick to get a difference maker on a rookie deal, it drives the value of any player way down…like what are we talking about lol.

The value isn’t the same in a vacuum…in a trade ALONE, Sneed is probably worth a 2nd rounder to some teams that maybe feel like they’re close and want him.

You *really* think Indy would give us 15 and a 3rd for the 32nd pick and Sneed?

Coogs 03-06-2024 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17430443)
I mean, I'd love that. But I don't believe that.
I have no idea. Some trucker from New Mixico called in and was talking about the situation with them. The trucker said he would like to get a 1, maybe #29 from the Lions, but would settle for a 2 and a 4. Kirwan kind of laughed, and said we would be getting a 1 and a 2.

Couch-Potato 03-06-2024 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 17430445)
If a team is trading a top 15 pick to get a difference maker on a rookie deal, it drives the value of any player way down…like what are we talking about lol.

The value isn’t the same in a vacuum…in a trade ALONE, Sneed is probably worth a 2nd rounder to some teams that maybe feel like they’re close and want him.

You *really* think Indy would give us 15 and a 3rd for the 32nd pick and Sneed?
I don't think it's that far off, respectfully.

I saw PFF suggest Sneed + 5th for #15 + 6th.

That pkg has us keeping #32.

duncan_idaho 03-06-2024 05:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 17430445)
If a team is trading a top 15 pick to get a difference maker on a rookie deal, it drives the value of any player way down…like what are we talking about lol.

The value isn’t the same in a vacuum…in a trade ALONE, Sneed is probably worth a 2nd rounder to some teams that maybe feel like they’re close and want him.

You *really* think Indy would give us 15 and a 3rd for the 32nd pick and Sneed?

I think the odds Indy would do 15 and 82 for 32 and Sneed are a lot better than your suggestion, that he’s worth essentially a 4th round pick at best.

VAChief 03-06-2024 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17430454)
I don't think it's that far off, respectfully.

I saw PFF suggest Sneed + 5th for #15 + 6th.

That pkg has us keeping #32.
You do that in a heartbeat, you can likely fill both needs.

Chris Meck 03-06-2024 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17430399)
how about Sneed to DET for #29, PKG 1st & 3rd to move up for our target and we keep #32?

or Sneed to NYG for #39 or #47 and pkg #32 + 3rd to move up and stand pat with our 2nds?

I wouldn't be shocked if Veach made a big play in the 1st, we have very few holes on our championship roster.

Not clear to me who we'd move up for unless it was Thomas Jr, though.
We keep saying that there are few holes, but I don't think that's true at all.

Tranquill AND Gay are free agents, we have no LT, we have Jones that's either a hole, or a near $30m cap hit, our #1 sub OL is leaving for a chance to start, we have one RB under contract... I'm not saying that the situation is dire, but there's a lot of bodies needed to fill this roster.

Dante84 03-06-2024 05:52 PM
KC ammo
#32 - 590pts
#64 - 270pts
#95 - 120 pts
Sneed - let's say equal to pick #48 - 420pts
#133 - 40pts

Indy ammo
#15 - 1050pts
#46 - 440pts
#82 - 180pts
#118 - 58pts

So, if KC wanted to secure #15, they would need to come up with 1,050 points:
1,050 (#15) - 590(#32) - 420(Sneed) = 40 remaining points, in the Chiefs favor. It just so happens that KC's pick #133 is valued at 40 points.

So a very fair trade would be: Indy's #15 for KC's Sneed, #32, & #133.

If you value Sneed higher than #48, that changes the math a bit.

Imon Yourside 03-07-2024 11:01 PM
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