Yeah. If they make it as far as King's Landing then the White Walkers have already won. I don't expect them to make it out of the North.

It's definitely a TINY bit disappointing that the story is, largely, predictable at this point (at least to some extent). But...meh...I think everyone's ready for some hardcore white walker on dragon action. Let's do it.

kinky.

If true, Tyrion would be her brother.

Correct. I'm dumb.

One thing: When Tyrion said "Hurry, you fool!" I couldn't shake the thought that he was talking to Jaime. My brain kept telling me that he was hoping for Dany to hurry up and get back to safety, but some weird ass part in the back kept nagging me with the thought that he wanted Dany and Jaime to get together. Could that be a thing or should I just drink more/less when watching the show?

You could bring in Lady Stoneheart AND make her a secret Targaryan too!

<-- Hasn't read the books

LITERALLY MY REACTION

My expectation is that the Night King gets one of the dragons and that Dany and John Snow have to ride the other two in battle against him in order to win. And then they marry each other, and Tyrion stays on as the Hand. Everybody else dies except a handful of people like Arya, Sansa, Hot Pies, etc.

I thought he was thinking of Jaime's survival rather than Jaime and Dany or Dany's survival.

I literally thought like five or six major characters were going to die at different parts of that episode, and no one died.

Brilliant HBO mind****.

And you probably didn't want any of them in particular to die.

Except maybe Randyll.

After rewatching the battle it's pretty clear Tyrion was having very emotional and worried reactions towards his own people, Dany/Drogon, and Jaime. He definitely wasn't emotionally prepared for the reality of them getting destroyed.

I thought he said "Flee, you fool".....to Jaime.

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See, that doesn't make complete sense to me. Jaime was rushing in to danger. If he was thinking of Jaime's safety he would have wanted the guy to GTFO of there. Maybe he was cheering Jaime's attempt to kill the dragon with that lance. At the time I believed he was urging Dany to GTFO but the question still nagged me.

That's what I heard as well. Could be wrong but it made sense at the time to me

I'll try to find out. Maybe I just misheard it.

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Yep, just found it on YouTube. He says, "Flee, you idiot" to Jaime.

He also then says, "You idiot. You ****ing idiot." to Jaime a few seconds later.

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It looks like Bronn bit it there.

One of the most important parts of that episode was Bran's convo with Littlefinger. With just that one line (chaos is a ladder), Littlefinger realized that his secret isn't a secret anymore. You could see the obvious concern on his face. I'm sure he's stewing over how much Bran actually knows. Pretty nice to see him squirm for once.

I was thinking about this more, especially with what they said about Maester Lewin recording all of the scrolls that came.

So that would mean Sansa has access to the raven scroll that Catelyn got in the first episode about the hand of the king being murdered, not dieing of illness. That seems like it could be relevant. I can't recall if it mentioned accusing anyone specifically.

It was completely to Jaime. I can't even comprehend how someone isn't smart enough to pick up on that.

Another thought, Danny doesn't completely wipe out the army like she could, because she wants them to flip to her side.

Calm it down, Castle Black.

Well, probably because I misheard the dialogue and missed tiny sections of the scene, because there were a few things going on while I was trying to watch the show. But thanks for being a such a dick about it.

Technically I was right about him leaving, even if it wasn't that episode.

LMAO

Technically you're a tool.

And yet you're obsessed with me.

I have the plans to Castle Black, guys! I know where all the doors are. /Rustshack

LMAO ROFL

What compels someone to be such a monumental asshole about something he has literally zero stake in?

Insecurity and dislike of self.

One small perceptional quibble. For all the hearts aflutter at Littlefinger's 'chaos is a ladder' comeuppance, I don't think all his stares in this episode was just him pooping his pants in the realization that all his plans were crumbling. Littlefinger is too determined a schemer to let setbacks control his fate.

My question is, in the territory we presently are, do the writers have GRRM's gift of plotting and intrigue to conjure a few more moves on the big board for him?

Unless the TV guys come right out and say they planned X,Y or Z on their own, the assumption is the broadstrokes of the plot have been explained to them by GRRM.

Given the relative simplification they've done with the source material, I think you take Littlefinger's reaction at face value; he's in uncharted territory now.

I've never read the books....I keep wondering...
I'm guessing that eventually John will get blasted with fire somehow and when he comes out unscathed he'll realize he's not a Stark at all....but a Targaryen. anything like this in the books?

ALSO....we've got two proven living Targaryens now (Dany and John) so....from what I've seen on the interwebs there should be a third...right? Who is it!!???

OR - maybe the third rider doesn't really have to be a Targaryen?? in which case please please PLEASE let it be Tyrion!

Jon has already burnt himself, and Danny's brother died from being burnt. Just because you're a Targaryen doesn't mean you can't burn.

well hells bells! that's right. nice helmet bro. ROFL
but...refresh me memory....when was John burnt?

When he saved Mormont from the first white walker they found.

I have to agree, Littlefinger is just planning his next move, he's not going to shit himself because things don't go as planned. He's killed two kings and the Warden of the North with his action or planning. He won't stop now.

Holy crap, how did I not recognize this before now? Rereading Dune now, and still didn't pick up on it.

Tyrion could be a Targaryen. There is a theory that he is the offspring of the Mad King and Joanna Lannister. Tyrion has always been obsessed with dragons and he is associated with fire quite a bit, especially the wildfire in Blackwater Bay. Adding to that, the dragons didn't fry him when he walked up to them.

Extremely unlikely, but all 3 of the Lannisters could be Targaryens. Cersei in particular exhibits many traits inherent in that family (incest, love for wildfire, general insanity).

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So to complete both prophesies after Jaime is(most likely) taken prisoner.

Tyrion betrays Danny by freeing Jaime. Cersei still wants Tyrion dead, but since Jaime knows he's inoccent of killing their son, Jaime ends up killing Cersei. Yes I know he's still mad about Tyrion killing their father, but shit'll buff out.

Fantastic episode maybe top 5 ever. You guys love to nitpick. The Highgarden defeat, Danys not leaving the battle after the first shot from the scorpion...but I think the dumbest thing about the episode was how Jaime was sinking into a deep abyss when he's only like two feet from the shore. What about that huh?!

Drogon's going to get turnt.

He's already had his moment. There's nowhere left for him to go other than "holy shit the other side has Drogon."

And then we get to explore the other two dragon characters.

Keep in mind I know there are spoilers out there and if you confirm any of this without a spoiler tag I will find you and rape you and your entire family.

We're like 4 episodes removed from Cercei blow up the Sept of Baelor. Maybe others did but I definitely didn't see that coming.

All that said, I'm fine with a "pat" ending at this point filled with great action scenes and a few more people getting their just come-uppance. If unpredictable means Cercei wins, then **** that, give me predictable every day of the week. I'm fine with just seeing how they get there!

Do you think he stuck a finger up her bum?

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I don't see anyway that if they kill off a dragon.....it's Drogon.

Nights King with an undead Drogon? Good ****ing luck.

It's going down to Tyrion demanding trial by combat for killing his dad.. Cersei will have undead Mountain and Tyrion will have Jamie. Unless they take the secret Castle Black tunnels and everybody goes back North after the Night King gets South.

If it came to that I'd hope he'd choose rheagal as his champion :D

Or the Hound so we could have CleganeBowl.

CleganeBowl is going to fall by the wayside just like Lady Stoneheart.

Speaking of the Mountain.....what would it take to kill him?

He's a zombie now.....could he be killed by Dragonglass? Valaryian steel?

Or will it be something simple like Drogon just biting him in half?

Fire...

I'm kindof of the mind that you just have to take his damn head off.

He's not a 'mystic' zombie or whoever the hell you'd want to classify the wights; he's a...uh...potion zombie. I'm not sure what impact mystic shit like dragonglass or valyrian steel would have on him.

Just use regular old steel to take his head off, then burn the body.

The Mountain will be killed by the white walkers, who will then res him again to create a Super Zombie-Zombie! How do you kill that which is already dead-dead?

Groovy...

They've complained about that too.

Just read the scripts for episode 5-7........... Wow...........

FYP!!

Too late. I already know they will make me say wow. No point in watching now.

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I'd have to go with Winds of Winter. The opening scene with the Light of the Seven theme playing was beautiful and so damn eerie at the same time. That was some damn compelling television. I also loved the Tower of Joy scene and the reveal of Jon Snow's lineage.

A close second would be The Rains of Castamere. I'm not a book reader yet (will be changing that soon), so I was completely taken off guard by what I was witnessing. Not to short any of the other episodes, I think these five are mostly unanimous as the highest quality GoT episodes HBO has made. (I understand there are exceptions; The Door, Blackwater.) Each person is different, I've talked to many who wouldn't list any one of these five episodes as their favorite. And if I'm honest, The Spoils of War is maybe an above average episode without the last 15 minutes. The Loot Train Battle arguably got everyone off (as it should've) and it skyrocketed its IMDB score. Certain great scenes, and there are too many to count throughout all 7 seasons so far, can really change a viewer's perception of the entire episode.

Maybe this has been discussed before in the other thread, I can't remember. Just wanted to see what everyone's thoughts were.

The Climb was really good, as was The Watchers on the Wall.

But yeah, hard to argue with those 5. The problem with The Rains of Castamere is that it's rewatchability is zero. I've never popped open HBO Go and thought "hey, lets watch the Red Wedding again..."

If I did a marathon, I'd probably skip all of season 1 and the Red Wedding (if only because Season 1 seems like a complete waste of time at this point).

I'm with you in not rating Spoils of War any higher than average. Even the Loot Train Battle doesn't raise it much above average. Hardhome, Blackwater, BoB, were all richer and fuller imho. Part of it may be that to me Dany is such a weak link as a character and and an actress.

Battle of the Bastards FTW

The Rains of Castamere song from the Red Wedding, wasn't that a song in Westeros history from some other significant event?

When Tywin totally ****ed up a Lannister vassal that was being noncompliant, yeah.

Lord Reyne of Castamere rebelled against the Lannisters.
Tywin crushed them with a vengeance
Musicians immortalized the beatdown in song
Cersei described the beatdown to Maegery right before Sansa's wedding
Musicians played the song right before the slaughter at the Red Wedding
GoT producers used the song as a cue in the buildup to the Loot Train attack.

A nod to Lady Stoneheart?

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First appears at 1:14 when the word Mother is said.

Appears behind Arya again at 2:00.

It's more than likely just people on Reddit looking too much into shit.

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