Going to be hilarious if Franklin makes it into the mid 20s and the Chiefs trade in front of the Bills to get him.
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The guy I was on early last year was Rashee Rice. I switched gears to Jalin Hyatt later on. I'm not making that mistake again. It's been Franklin, I'm sticking with him to the bitter ****ing end. LOL.
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Oh, I would laugh so much if we get another video of the Bills’ war room reacting to the Chiefs trading in front of them again… to take the guy who is clearly the best fit for both teams at a key area of need.
I mean, say that plays out for Franklin this year. Who is the Kair Elam version of WR in this draft? Xavier Legette? |
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- Trade up ahead of the Bills for Franklin, call it good. - Stay at 32 and get a traits guy like Legette, Mitchell or Walker (maybe) and double dip R4-5 with a guy like Malik Washington - Move back and get one of the next tier in Wilson, Pearsall or Burton and again, double dip later. We may not hit a home run and get a 1,000 yard rookie, but there's a lot of ways we end up better at WR. |
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Buuuuuut he's not alone, Jeremiah and 1 or 2 others I've seen have Franklin going in the 2nd. Many others have him going at the very bottom of first, typically to us or the Bills. CP has fallen in love with him a bit and projects him to rise in the draft post combine, but we might be forgetting that Oregon's offenses gets a similar asterisk to TEN offenses... don't they? I'm not 100% sure, again, I'm not a college football fan just a draft junkie. |
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He is a similar type player to Hyatt.....I dunno fellas.
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The primary flaw is the lack of lateral agility on tape. Granted, you can take my opinion with a mountain of salt, as I am still focused on the NFL and haven't watched much of his non highlight stuff and haven't watched much of the rest of the class yet. Fast is good, but agility and acceleration makes for a player with a better route tree and separation in the NFL, imo. I have Legette higher at first blush for this reason. His ability to change speed to create separation will result in more productivity, imo
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I didn't think Legette showed his agility very well at the SR bowl from the clips I watched though.
I dunno. I'm just not blown away by any of the WR's we're gonna be in a spot for. |
Franklin seems a lot more quick-twitch to me.
If you're looking to be blown away by acceleration and twitchiness, you should be watching Roman Wilson. There's some strong DeSean Jackson vibes there. If the Chiefs add a good veteran or two to the room from FA, I could be OK with Wilson as the top guy they add in the draft. Same with Burton. |
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What's the deal with Malik Washington? Sounds like a great fit at the slot in maybe the 3rd or 4th but I haven't seen his name come up around here?
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I'm completely out on any WRs below 5'11'' unless they're Tyreek Hill level athletes. You can thank Skyy Moore for that.
Malik Washington isn't anywhere near the athlete Hill is. He's probably not even quite the athlete Moore was. I mean that is damn near a carbon copy of Skyy Moore's scouting report. Right down to the "This WR breaks tackles" as a feather in his cap. Fellas, that's like saying that the napkins are folded really well at a restaurant. That's scraping the bottom of the barrel to find positives for a player. Nah - I don't even think I'd bother with Washington on Day 3. I've seen enough of those guys. When your upside is "he might be Richie James someday" then I really have little use for you. |
I'm in the 5"11-6"2 range for a WR. Anything outside of that is just gotta be an outlier athletically.
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Outside of your range, you're looking at unicorns. Taller than that and you're looking at guys like Julio Jones and Megatron - planet sized human beings that don't move like it. Or one-trick ponies like Evans. Shorter than that and you need Tyreek Hill or Antonio Brown. Hill is lightning and Brown was just about a perfect technical WR. There are exceptions here and there, but I wouldn't be inclined to gamble on them heavily. |
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Does the league view Oregon's offense the same way they do TEN? Are we too high on Franklin based on some gimmick offense? |
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Just did a mock where DAL took Franklin ahead of us in the 1st and then Legette ahead of us in the 2nd. That duo could be electric! That's my dream combo for KC.
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That's why I see a guy like Malachi Corley as interesting. He's just over 5'10" but 215 lbs. yes he's similar to Rice but if he runs in the low 4.4's and is available in the late 3rd rd, why not take him? Also I'm still perplexed by Tabk Dell. That kid is 5'8" 165 lbs with 8.5" hands and was incredible. I guess outliers do come up |
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Maybe I'd take a value play in the 4th. But we still need some DL help pretty badly, LB and TE could use some reinforcements. OL is going to need freshening up soon enough (or some very healthy contracts to be handed out). I just think there are likely to be better ways to spend that capital. Maybe not - if I take Tez Walker in the 1st and Jalen McMillan is sitting there in the 3rd, I'm gonna grab McMillan. But if I'm betting, I just don't think the board will fall that way. |
As much as I'd love a WR early...the DL spot is fairly dire here. We need some bodies in the middle there. Now maybe that's not worth that high of a pick and they can throw some #s at it, but still.
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It's fun to speculate but we really don't know what we'll need until March. If they keep Chris Jones that changes shit. If they sign a WR in FA that changes shit too
I just want good players. I still like Felix but I'd rather not get a redshirt player next year |
Yeah, we can't really have a full redshirt yeah like that again.
Granted, where we pick it just is what it is. |
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WR, even if we get an FA guy or 2 we're likely seeing MVS, James, Ross gone, maybe Toney, and Moore continuing to do nothing. There's a lot of guys there we probably should let go and we can get improve upon this draft. Guys like Washington and the other one Tajh I'm just looking for them to be solid depth and better than the current load of @ss. There's loads of guys like that I could see offering something. To be honest if there's a decent receiving TE or RB in R4-5 I'd be just as happy with that. Those groups need bolstering too. |
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There's almost NO chance we don't bring in a vet as there's no way MVS is a Chief next year. You've got Rice, you've still got Kelce, there will be at LEAST one vet signing of significance and I'd be really surprised if we don't draft a WR in the first two rounds. You've got a guy that's a legit threat to put up 1,000 plus, you've still got Kelce, you'll have another vet in the room, and you'll have a rookie that will be at BEST WR3 (so to speak) to start with. So yeah, unless someone gets hurt, we won't be having a rookie go for 1,000 more than likely. It COULD happen, but probably not. |
If they bring in a vet, I'd be more inclined to maybe take a swing at Legette with his measurables the upside would be theoretically higher.
But even then.....I dunno that I'd sacrifice any future picks. |
IMHO, Brown or Mooney are the best fits to fill the field stretch role that will most assuredly be a gap if/when MVS is released.
I would like to see them take a shot at Hollywood. |
Draft Dudes took McConkey for us at 31 in their latest. Noted him as a sure handed, good route runner who would build quality chemistry with Mahomes. And they think Chemisty was a big issue for us this year.
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Personally I don't think too much seperates McConkey from Pearsall, I think they are cut from a similar cloth. I just don't see how anyone can justify a round 1 grade on McConkey though, measurables matter and he just doesn't have them. |
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I think they're 7 deep. I think Donovan Smith comes back, Thuney comes back and Allegretti stays while Wanya gets stronger in the off-season as the swing tackle. I don't really see IOL taken until day 3. I honestly would not be shocked at all if we took 2 weapons in the first 3 rds, one of which being a TE. |
Oddly usually players don't say anything about where they want to go..Brock Bowers was all like I want the Titans to pick me.
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ESPN's Draft Analyst Jordan Reid sites Keon Coleman as his #23 player, Legette at #47, and Franklin at #49 in his TOP 50 List.
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As I say, lots of ways for us to get better. |
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I'm really warming up to Keon Coleman as a possibility in round 1.
You can sign a guy like Mooney to be the deep threat, and just let Coleman and Rice bully corners. |
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I dunno, maybe it would work. |
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WR's that don't get good separation just aren't a good fit in this offense. It's not a bully ball offense. It's about timing and quick separation. The same reasons you thought Moore SHOULD work in this offense are why Coleman wouldn't, IMO. And I just don't see much 'there' there in terms of traits. He has good size and that's almost literally the last thing on my list for WR traits. I just don't know what I see that actually translates well to a timing offense. Bigger bodied guys that can screen dudes off, even if we find a way to make them work here, don't require 1st round picks. Those can be found in the middle rounds. I just can't see a way I ever find him all that attractive in the 1st. Should he really slide and fall into the late 2nd - sure. But I'm not gonna get there in the first. I just can't see a scenario where 8 other WRs go off the board (which is about what it would take to put him at the top of my WR list) and not leave someone else at a different position I'd far rather have. |
Troy Franklin is the guy, if he's not there then I think you pivot to the OL or DL.
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What I like about Coleman beyond his obvious size is that Florida State used him a fair amount in the screen game and even to return punts. Very fluid athlete at his size- I personally don't think he is just a bully ball receiver. Quite a few plays on his tape where he routinely makes a defender miss and picks up the YAC yards. We'll see how his testing goes but I think your underestimating his athletic ability. |
Franklin is the one I've just zeroed in on, for a couple reasons.
He has alot that this offense needs in terms of speed, ability etc. I think he also may end up going before we pick, so it may not matter. But he's also an ideal pairing for Rice. Put those two together and it's a nice Batman and Robin. |
I'm starting to believe we've got Coleman and Franklin flipped, or at least the league does. Seems like the pros expect Coleman will go #4 and Franklin #5 or #6 WR off the board. I can't quite figure it out, but scouts and draft heads just aren't quite as high on Franklin as we are yet and despite the lack of production routinely take Coleman over Franklin, and even occasionally have him taken in the top 15. Must be his frame, athletic traits, and youth?
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But I just think there's more to his game that makes him a fit. |
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Coleman just seems a bit redundant to what Rice does for me, but I'm not really against that if that's what we're going for.
I'd like to have a guy that can really do it all though. |
I also think Ja'Tavion Samders needs to be in the conversation. I think he will be after the combine. Him and Kelce would be ****ing insane, and help keep Kelce fresh.
This of course would have to come with a significant WR signing in free agency. |
Franklin is the guy for me. If he's gone I'm sulking and probably not that fussed who we pick.
Coleman I said early I just didn't like at all, for all the reasons DJ mentioned. But I'm warming a little for the reasons Shoes mentioned. I keep hearing evaluators say "it's not that he can't separate, it's just that he doesn't". I'm pretty suspicious of this, but they seem to be referencing his athleticism. Maybe. If he tests well I could go with it perhaps. If the league likes him more than Franklin, fine by me. |
Remember, these draft heads had Skyy as a potential first round pick.
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I'm sure someone has already said it but I'm hoping #15 holds another receiver workout "camp" like last year and tells Veach who he wants. PMII liked Rice last year and it turned out pretty good. Why not do it again.
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Because there are some really dumb, lazy front offices in this league. |
DJ, what do you think about Sanders at 31/32 if he lights up the combine like people expect?
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I would love nothing more than to destroy defenses in 12/13 personnel the way the Patriots did with Gronk/Hernandez. That's such a difficult offense to defend. God it would be awesome |
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Wouldn't be opposed to it. Not sure if he'd be my BPA at the time, but in a thin TE group, he's one of 2 guys that seem to present a possible difference-maker skill-set. And I think Andy would get a TON of production out of him during that rookie deal. My question with Sanders is really whether or not we're a year early with him still. Do we NEED to get a guy because he's a turnkey move TE just yet? Because that's still Kelce. Can't we lean more heavily into Gray to take some load off Kelce? And ultimately would a developmental TE like Johnson or Knox be someone who could be turned into a true Kelce replacement in a season or two at the cost of a much later pick? I'm still not whole-hog on TE and I think LaPorta, who many people cite as a reason we SHOULD'VE gone TE in the first last year, actually shows why we shouldn't. He wouldn't have been that kind of player here this season. Probably not next. But we'd have had to use that sort of capital on him anyway. Do you get diminishing returns by going earlier than you have to? Then again, the wall can hit hard. I thought we could afford to wait on a downfield Z like Hyatt because we had MVS for a year and could get that sort of player this season. Then MVS was hot garbage and a rookie with downfield speed might've been nice. Do I think the wall approacheth for Kelce? No, not quite. He'll continue to decline a bit but still be a top 3 TE. Does that truly need a 1st day replacement? Nah, probably not. |
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I'd love to get my hands on Kyle Pitts here somehow.
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Their scouting reports sound pretty similar:
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PFF guys seemed a just a tiny bit dismissive of Legette's performance at the Sr Bowl. I got the perception they were saying "he was fine, but he didn't stand out much either."
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Coleman, Thomas Jr, Legette Those are the only WRs I'd consider at our spot in the 1st. If Franklin's within reach, I say go up and get him because he's the best fit for what the Chiefs like to do on offense, but If not, at least one of these guys is going to drop to us at the bottom of the first. Remember that 6 is still the record for the amount of WRs taken in the 1st and there's already 3 names that are dead locks ahead of my list here. I'd be excited about anyone of these guys! |
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Add to the above the price of moving up in the 1st is expensive, and the value for trading down from the 1st into the 2nd (thanks KCrow) isn't there, maybe our best value at WR would be trading up from our 2nd into the middle of the 2nd round so that we can have our pick of one of the remaining 3-4 WRs ranked in the Top 50? Trading up in the 2nd seems to be a lot more equitable. I noted a few teams that moved up 9-12 spots in 2nd for a 3rd when doing some research as a reference. Seems this has been Veach's strategy for several years, I wonder if I might be on to something here? |
Sanders in round 1 or after a small trade back into round 2 wouldn’t be a bad way to approach it if you commit to the 12 set as your base.
If you run 12 as frequently as you have run 11 in the past, I’d look at it no different than committing to a WR instead. Either way, you’re talking about a starter-level receiving target. Sanders with the first pick/Roman Wilson with the 3rd would be an intriguing way to attack it, iMO. |
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I don’t understand why there’s a feeling Laporta would not have worked out for KC. He wouldn’t have done as well as he did in Detroit in all likelihood, but would have been a much better receiver option than what we had beyond Rice and Kelce. |
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I don’t necessarily hate the idea of TE in the 1st, although I think it might be a year too early but who knows. My concern would be if this is another FAU situation where aside from injury that player isn’t get much time in year 1? I’m not sure we would run 3 TE sets THAT often and I question if a rookie would pass Gray on the depth chart anytime soon. But if it’s BPA then so be it, we need weapons on offense however we can get them.
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I splurged on a PFF membership and will post some stats for our target WRs
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Couple interesting PFF stats I noticed at first glance...
Thomas Jr at #4 Troy Franklin at #5 with 10% drops McConkey next at #6 Coleman #7 Mitchell #8 Dez Walker #9 Jermaine Burton at #10 with 0% drops Legette at #11 |
Legette has some pretty elite #'s
2.7% drop rate (2 drops to 71 catches) 3.15 yards per route run (Have only noticed Harrison Jr and Nabers at 3+) 85.5% vs man coverage 86.9% receiving grade 82.5% overall grade (Very few WRs with 80%+ grades this season, Thomas Jr was 74%) |
Malachi Corley avg 8.6 yards after catch! Damn!
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I think we're sleeping on Malik Washington a bit.
#1 in missed tackles forced #1 yards from slot #2 rec from slot 64.7% contested catch rate 2.6% drop rate with 3 total 3.15 yards per route run 92.4% receiving grade (Harrison Jr 89.6% and Nabers 93.1%) Look a lot bigger than he's listed out there, plays tough, is known for making clutch plays. Is he this year's beefed up Tank Dell? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urIFD2bo4FY |
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