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Just Passin' By 11-01-2022 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16562755)
So Marvel is delaying the introduction of Dr. Doom into the MCU. They have reportedly cut his post credit scene out of Wakanda Forever, and now they are talking about pushing him back even further.

Boo this organization.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/10/2...kanda-forever/

https://screenrant.com/fantastic-fou...-doom-updates/


Maybe they have other things to screw up first?

Tribal Warfare 11-01-2022 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 16570207)
Maybe they have other things to screw up first?

Hopefully Rogue puts Danvers in a coma

Direckshun 11-02-2022 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamie (Post 16563145)
There was a rumor that Marvel was interested in Henry Cavill to play Doom. I didn't put much stock in it at the time, but it could explain why Marvel would punt on Doom now, since Cavill is going back to DC.

They honestly need to just hire the best possible actor for that role. The person is behind a mask 2/3rds of the time anyway.

My votes: Bryan Cranston, or Javier Bardem

dlphg9 11-02-2022 10:17 AM

I'm wondering how much creative input Stan Lee had in the making of these movies. Shit has been terrible since he died.

Jamie 11-02-2022 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16571491)
I'm wondering how much creative input Stan Lee had in the making of these movies.

None, beyond what's taken from the comics. I know he had an executive producer credit on everything, but that was just contractual. He hadn't had any official role at Marvel since the 90s.

Sassy Squatch 11-02-2022 04:31 PM

Just don't have much use for this cinematic universe after Endgame, especially after they shifted so hard into shoehorning in a bunch of woke nonsense into virtually every scrap of media they produce. Hopefully DC can FINALLY get it's shit together and make some progress on their own cinematic universe without having to reboot the damn thing every other year.

Gravedigger 11-02-2022 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie (Post 16563145)
There was a rumor that Marvel was interested in Henry Cavill to play Doom. I didn't put much stock in it at the time, but it could explain why Marvel would punt on Doom now, since Cavill is going back to DC.

Liam Hemsworth as Dr. Doom confirmed now.

Just Passin' By 11-11-2022 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16572561)
Just don't have much use for this cinematic universe after Endgame, especially after they shifted so hard into shoehorning in a bunch of woke nonsense into virtually every scrap of media they produce. Hopefully DC can FINALLY get it's shit together and make some progress on their own cinematic universe without having to reboot the damn thing every other year.


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The big picture: “Black Panther: Wakanda Forever,” which premieres today, will be the first-ever Marvel movie with a Black woman lead.

From the beginning of the MCU in 2008, all the way through the release of “Black Panther” in 2018, every Marvel movie had a white man as its main character.
But “Black Panther” was a true tipping point: Eleven of the 16 Marvel movies released since then (setting aside ensemble casts) have had a woman or a person of color at the center.

https://www.axios.com/2022/11/10/mar...erse-diversity

Tribal Warfare 12-05-2022 12:45 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RUMOR: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Deadpool3?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Deadpool3</a>&#39;s plot will reportedly &quot;heavily&quot; involve <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Loki?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Loki</a>&#39;s TVA! Details: <a href="https://t.co/NK6ShkrsBR">https://t.co/NK6ShkrsBR</a> <a href="https://t.co/HAfRtkb2AD">pic.twitter.com/HAfRtkb2AD</a></p>&mdash; MCU - The Direct (@MCU_Direct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MCU_Direct/status/1599643377443774464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RUMOR: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MarvelStudios?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MarvelStudios</a> is reportedly attempting to recruit &quot;heavy hitter&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Marvel?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Marvel</a> icons like Hugh Jackman &amp; Tobey Maguire to appear in minor roles in AVENGERS: SECRET WARS! Details: <a href="https://t.co/otz8PTYZFH">https://t.co/otz8PTYZFH</a> <a href="https://t.co/YKo3w7Nqrx">pic.twitter.com/YKo3w7Nqrx</a></p>&mdash; MCU - The Direct (@MCU_Direct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MCU_Direct/status/1599249377054396416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 4, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

cabletech94 12-05-2022 07:55 AM

^ooooooooooo.

I’m excited!! (If it’s done right)

BigRichard 12-05-2022 02:23 PM

Deadpool with Loki... I love it.

Direckshun 12-07-2022 10:00 AM

Where I am right now.

1. Captain America: Civil War
2. Avengers: Infinity War
3. Avengers: Endgame
4. The Avengers
5. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
6. Black Panther
7. Thor: Ragnarok
8. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
9. Guardians of the Galaxy
10. Thor
11. Iron Man
12. Spider-Man: No Way Home
13. Avengers: Ages of Ultron
14. Black Widow
15. Thor: Love and Thunder
16. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
17. Spider-Man: Homecoming
18. Eternals
19. Ant-Man
20. Captain Marvel
21. Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
22. Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness
23. Spider-Man: Far From Home
24. Doctor Strange
25. Iron Man 3
26. Captain America: The First Avenger
27. Ant-Man and the Wasp
28. Thor: The Dark World
29. Incredible Hulk
30. Iron Man 2

Direckshun 12-07-2022 10:19 AM

So now that four phases are done (at least according to Wikipedia), here's how I scored the movies out, imperfectly.

If you were my #1 movie, you got 30 points. If you were my #2 movie, you got 29 points, and so on. Iron Man 2, my #30 movie, got 1 point.

I totaled the points up for each phase and then divided them by the number of movies in that phrase (6 movies in P1, 6 in P2, 11 in P3, 8 in P4). Here's my results:

Phase 1: 12.67 points/film
Phase 2: 14.00
Phase 3: 18.73
Phase 4: 14.14

Observations: I loved Thor more than anybody else, and Iron Man was excellent, but Phase 1 (and the entire MCU) was really saved by The Avengers. It had some epic stinkers to start the MCU off.

Phase 3 was just an insane hot streak for any cinematic universe. Aside from GOTG2, Civil War, Black Panther, Ragnarok, all epic films, there were also both Infinity Wars movies, which were perhaps the most epic things ever put to screen.

I have Phase 4 ticked slightly above 2 as my second favorite phase. But oddly enough the highest rated P4 film I have was No Way Home at 12. The lowest rated P4 film I have is Multiverse of Madness at 22. I have P1, P2, and P3 films all rated lower than Multiverse of Madness. So while I do think that P4 has been strong, the reason people may feel blah about it is that they're all very same-y in quality.

BigBeauford 12-07-2022 11:07 AM

Phase 4 has just been terrible IMO. Only Spiderman:NWH was worth a shit.

GloucesterChief 12-07-2022 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16651495)
Where I am right now.

1. Captain America: Civil War
2. Avengers: Infinity War
3. Avengers: Endgame
4. The Avengers
5. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
6. Black Panther
7. Thor: Ragnarok
8. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
9. Guardians of the Galaxy
10. Thor
11. Iron Man
12. Spider-Man: No Way Home
13. Avengers: Ages of Ultron
14. Black Widow
15. Thor: Love and Thunder
16. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
17. Spider-Man: Homecoming
18. Eternals
19. Ant-Man
20. Captain Marvel
21. Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
22. Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness
23. Spider-Man: Far From Home
24. Doctor Strange
25. Iron Man 3
26. Captain America: The First Avenger
27. Ant-Man and the Wasp
28. Thor: The Dark World
29. Incredible Hulk
30. Iron Man 2

Love & Thunder was the only one where at points I was seriously thinking 'why am I wasting my time watching this shit?'

Direckshun 12-08-2022 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 16653281)
Love & Thunder was the only one where at points I was seriously thinking 'why am I wasting my time watching this shit?'

Really?

You don't remember watching half a movie where RDJ was just getting drunk and Rhodey jumped from "come on man, it's time to sober up" to "I'm now wielding a continental WEAPON AT YOU STAND DOWN" in the span of about 20 seconds.

Every phase has had its stinkers.

Mr. Plow 12-08-2022 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16653482)
Really?

You don't remember watching half a movie where RDJ was just getting drunk and Rhodey jumped from "come on man, it's time to sober up" to "I'm now wielding a continental WEAPON AT YOU STAND DOWN" in the span of about 20 seconds.

Every phase has had its stinkers.

Love & Thunder was bad.

Direckshun 12-08-2022 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 16653548)
Love & Thunder was bad.

I don't think so -- I had it as the middle of the road. Literally have it 15th.

It's a solid comedy, actually gave Valkyrie and Portman things to do. The villain had real motivations and I felt was brilliantly acted, and the cosmic aspect was enjoyable -- at least for me.

The biggest, dumbest issue for me was Russell Crowe as Zeus -- holy shit did they implode with that idea. They should have gone with literally anybody with some (a.) gravitas and (b.) any knack whatsoever for comedy. Tim Curry would have crushed that role.

I also thought the climax with Thor magically being able to infuse his power into children came from nowhere.

Overall, more good than bad I think.

Mr. Plow 12-08-2022 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16653939)
I don't think so -- I had it as the middle of the road. Literally have it 15th.

It's a solid comedy, actually gave Valkyrie and Portman things to do. The villain had real motivations and I felt was brilliantly acted, and the cosmic aspect was enjoyable -- at least for me.

The biggest, dumbest issue for me was Russell Crowe as Zeus -- holy shit did they implode with that idea. They should have gone with literally anybody with some (a.) gravitas and (b.) any knack whatsoever for comedy. Tim Curry would have crushed that role.

I also thought the climax with Thor magically being able to infuse his power into children came from nowhere.

Overall, more good than bad I think.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. It was bad.

Direckshun 12-08-2022 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 16653945)
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. It was bad.

Oh I gotcha. Sorry, totally missed that it was bad.

GloucesterChief 12-08-2022 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16653482)
Really?

You don't remember watching half a movie where RDJ was just getting drunk and Rhodey jumped from "come on man, it's time to sober up" to "I'm now wielding a continental WEAPON AT YOU STAND DOWN" in the span of about 20 seconds.

Every phase has had its stinkers.

Bad drama becomes unintentional comedy, bad comedy is just painful to watch.

Direckshun 12-08-2022 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GloucesterChief (Post 16654091)
Bad drama becomes unintentional comedy, bad comedy is just painful to watch.

Alright, I thought the movie was pretty funny but hey.

Mr. Plow 12-08-2022 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16654022)
Oh I gotcha. Sorry, totally missed that it was bad.

Glad we could clear that up.

Bowser 12-08-2022 02:49 PM

If we all learned Taika Waititi was on a massive cocaine and booze rager all the way through making L&T (4 hour original cut??), would any of us be in the least bit shocked by that discovery?

kcgreene 12-08-2022 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16654130)
If we all learned Taika Waititi was on a massive cocaine and booze rager all the way through making L&T (4 hour original cut??), would any of us be in the least bit shocked by that discovery?

It wouldn't surprise me at all. This is why there are only certain directors that you can let loose to create whatever they want. Feige gave him way too much leash on Love & Thunder. And we got a movie that was quite bad and didn't make sense at so many points.

Just Passin' By 12-08-2022 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kcgreene (Post 16654216)
It wouldn't surprise me at all. This is why there are only certain directors that you can let loose to create whatever they want. Feige gave him way too much leash on Love & Thunder. And we got a movie that was quite bad and didn't make sense at so many points.


Marvel's been making bad movies for a while. That's been regardless of the directors and characters.

kcgreene 12-08-2022 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 16654229)
Marvel's been making bad movies for a while. That's been regardless of the directors and characters.

Phase 4 I'd agree, but other than Waititi, Coogler (and Jon Watts who is under Sony's thumb w/ Spider-Man) all the directors in Phase 4 are new to the MCU. Waititi essentially redefined the character with Raganarok, and there was a lot of chatter they were giving him a lot more free reign when it was in production due to that shift.

Don't get me wrong, Feige has really messed up with Phase 4 and I'm sure that wasn't the only problem, but it is also apparent that Waititi went off the deep end quite a bit in Love and Thunder. Both things can be; and probably are, true.

Skyy God 12-08-2022 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16654130)
If we all learned Taika Waititi was on a massive cocaine and booze rager all the way through making L&T (4 hour original cut??), would any of us be in the least bit shocked by that discovery?

Don’t forget threesones.

Bowser 12-08-2022 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 16654415)
Don’t forget threesones.

https://www.earthtouchnews.com/media...2015-05-19.gif

WhawhaWhat 12-08-2022 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16651495)
Where I am right now.

1. Captain America: Civil War
2. Avengers: Infinity War
3. Avengers: Endgame
4. The Avengers
5. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
6. Black Panther
7. Thor: Ragnarok
8. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
9. Guardians of the Galaxy
10. Thor
11. Iron Man
12. Spider-Man: No Way Home
13. Avengers: Ages of Ultron
14. Black Widow
15. Thor: Love and Thunder
16. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
17. Spider-Man: Homecoming
18. Eternals
19. Ant-Man
20. Captain Marvel
21. Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
22. Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness
23. Spider-Man: Far From Home
24. Doctor Strange
25. Iron Man 3
26. Captain America: The First Avenger
27. Ant-Man and the Wasp
28. Thor: The Dark World
29. Incredible Hulk
30. Iron Man 2

Captain America Winter Soldier is my favorite Marvel movie. I liked the first GotG better than the 2nd one but both would definitely be in the top 10 for me. Thor: Love and Thunder would be at negative a billion.

I still haven't seen Shang-Chi, Eternals, Ant-Man and the Wasp or Black Widow.

Mr. Plow 12-09-2022 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 16654931)
Captain America Winter Soldier is my favorite Marvel movie. I liked the first GotG better than the 2nd one but both would definitely be in the top 10 for me. Thor: Love and Thunder would be at negative a billion.

I still haven't seen Shang-Chi, Eternals, Ant-Man and the Wasp or Black Widow.

It really surprised me because I was just watching it because it was new on Disney+, but I really enjoyed Shang-Chi.

BigRichard 12-09-2022 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 16655085)
It really surprised me because I was just watching it because it was new on Disney+, but I really enjoyed Shang-Chi.

Yeah, Shang-Chi is pretty damn good. One of the better more recent movies. A lot of the shit recently has been horrible.

Tribal Warfare 12-09-2022 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRichard (Post 16655426)
Yeah, Shang-Chi is pretty damn good. One of the better more recent movies. A lot of the shit recently has been horrible.

"Aqua-fina" broad was a useless character and should've been killed. All the other female characters were awesome.

Raiderhater 12-09-2022 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 16654931)
Captain America Winter Soldier is my favorite Marvel movie. I liked the first GotG better than the 2nd one but both would definitely be in the top 10 for me. Thor: Love and Thunder would be at negative a billion.

I still haven't seen Shang-Chi, Eternals, Ant-Man and the Wasp or Black Widow.

Prepare to be bored to death by Eternals. I spent more time on my phone than I did actually watching the movie.

Direckshun 12-13-2022 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 16654931)
Captain America Winter Soldier is my favorite Marvel movie. I liked the first GotG better than the 2nd one but both would definitely be in the top 10 for me. Thor: Love and Thunder would be at negative a billion.

I still haven't seen Shang-Chi, Eternals, Ant-Man and the Wasp or Black Widow.

Black Widow is a good story with very good acting. Some fun fight scenes.

Eternals is an absolutely bananas plot with okay writing and varied acting. At least one top-tier fight scene -- it's fantastic. You'll know it when you see it.

Shang-Chi and Ant Man 2 have their moments but the writing is just up and down across the board. Shang-Chi does have a fantastic fight scene.

Ant Man 2:

Spoiler!

Direckshun 12-13-2022 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 16655806)
"Aqua-fina" broad was a useless character and should've been killed. All the other female characters were awesome.

Or she could have been fleshed out more, right?

There's a reason the "best friend" role exists -- they provide context and levity and all the things the main character can't do.

She could do a lot of that if they had built her a bit more. The writing of the movie was insanely interested in Ta Lo and the Mandorin and the legend of the Ten Rings. Which, fine. Then just excise the character you're not interested in.

Direckshun 12-13-2022 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiderhater (Post 16655909)
Prepare to be bored to death by Eternals. I spent more time on my phone than I did actually watching the movie.

Spoiler!

GloucesterChief 12-13-2022 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16664821)
Or she could have been fleshed out more, right?

There's a reason the "best friend" role exists -- they provide context and levity and all the things the main character can't do.

She could do a lot of that if they had built her a bit more. The writing of the movie was insanely interested in Ta Lo and the Mandorin and the legend of the Ten Rings. Which, fine. Then just excise the character you're not interested in.

I mean they pretty much took Iron Fist's origin and grafted it onto Shang-Chi. Marvel turned into what should of been their version of The Raid into another boring cgi fest.

Direckshun 12-13-2022 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16664850)
Spoiler!

This website has some ideas, some I like more than others, about how they'd fix the Eternals.

https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/how-to-fix-eternals/

Bowser 12-19-2022 09:09 PM

A little pre-Phase 5 WatchMojo fluff

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Tribal Warfare 01-10-2023 05:37 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RUMOR: Adam Driver is reportedly <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MarvelStudios?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MarvelStudios</a>&#39; top choice to play the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FantasticFour?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FantasticFour</a>&#39;s Reed Richards! Full details: <a href="https://t.co/W0Qnanh7g2">https://t.co/W0Qnanh7g2</a> <a href="https://t.co/DlcSJYGkHB">pic.twitter.com/DlcSJYGkHB</a></p>&mdash; MCU - The Direct (@MCU_Direct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MCU_Direct/status/1612568151778119686?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bowser 01-10-2023 07:17 PM

I won't lie, I was kind of hoping for John Krasinski and Emily Blunt to play Reed and Susan Richards. They just feel like naturals for those roles.

Unless of course they're going to do some semblance of the Council of Reeds, but that may be WAY too advanced for Phase 5.

Just Passin' By 01-10-2023 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 16727379)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RUMOR: Adam Driver is reportedly <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MarvelStudios?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MarvelStudios</a>&#39; top choice to play the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FantasticFour?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FantasticFour</a>&#39;s Reed Richards! Full details: <a href="https://t.co/W0Qnanh7g2">https://t.co/W0Qnanh7g2</a> <a href="https://t.co/DlcSJYGkHB">pic.twitter.com/DlcSJYGkHB</a></p>&mdash; MCU - The Direct (@MCU_Direct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MCU_Direct/status/1612568151778119686?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Why?

Direckshun 01-11-2023 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16727513)
I won't lie, I was kind of hoping for John Krasinski and Emily Blunt to play Reed and Susan Richards. They just feel like naturals for those roles.

Unless of course they're going to do some semblance of the Council of Reeds, but that may be WAY too advanced for Phase 5.

That would have been killer casting.

BigBeauford 01-11-2023 12:24 PM

Krasinski has been a fan favorite for it; Driver is a decent consolation prize.

Skyy God 01-11-2023 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBeauford (Post 16728545)
Krasinski has been a fan favorite for it; Driver is a decent consolation prize.

Driver is a way better actor.

Direckshun 02-08-2023 12:19 PM

Is this new news?

I'm reading that my favorite Marvel character, the Sentry, is going to be introduced in the upcoming movie The Thunderbolts.

They're casting him right now, and they're targeting a person of color for the role to get away from comparisons to Homelander.

I cannot ****ing wait how they bring the Void to the screen. Holy crapola.

Edit: I will say, I am somewhat concerned over this, however. We've seen Superman-esque characters fighting a team of heroes several times in the past year. Guys who can fly, have super strength, laser eyes. Homelander is the obvious one, Omni-Man in Invincible, Ikaris from the Eternals, and even Superman himself in Justice League. I think they need to tweak the Sentry pretty aggressively here, to change him from being a Superman clone. Obviously, you're going to want to lean in on the Void, but when he's in Sentry mode, consider giving him a different set of powers of some kind. Sentry in the comics could do literally everything anyway.

Just Passin' By 02-22-2023 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kcgreene (Post 16654235)
Phase 4 I'd agree, but other than Waititi, Coogler (and Jon Watts who is under Sony's thumb w/ Spider-Man) all the directors in Phase 4 are new to the MCU. Waititi essentially redefined the character with Raganarok, and there was a lot of chatter they were giving him a lot more free reign when it was in production due to that shift.

Don't get me wrong, Feige has really messed up with Phase 4 and I'm sure that wasn't the only problem, but it is also apparent that Waititi went off the deep end quite a bit in Love and Thunder. Both things can be; and probably are, true.

I'm just saying that the problem isn't just one or two directors getting too much leash.

Black Widow
Shang-Chi
The Eternals
Multiverse of Madness
Love & Thunder


Some will defend one or another, and some were better than others, but they were all bad movies (Shang Chi was the best of the lot, and might be considered mediocre rather than bad). Every one of them saw the problems start at the beginning: the script/storyline. Wokeness, some bad acting, too much needless CGI, and other things also combined to make the problem. And we could see this coming at least as far back as with Captain Marvel (I would argue that the seeds of the rot were planted in Black Panther).

BigBeauford 02-22-2023 12:40 PM

Pushed back release date for The Marvels and new poster.

Get excited!...or don't

https://assets-prd.ignimgs.com/2023/...6653861423.jpg

BigRichard 02-22-2023 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBeauford (Post 16822863)
Pushed back release date for The Marvels and new poster.

Get excited!...or don't

https://assets-prd.ignimgs.com/2023/...6653861423.jpg

On the "Don't" side.

RaidersOftheCellar 02-22-2023 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 16822741)
I'm just saying that the problem isn't just one or two directors getting too much leash.

Black Widow
Shang-Chi
The Eternals
Multiverse of Madness
Love & Thunder


Some will defend one or another, and some were better than others, but they were all bad movies (Shang Chi was the best of the lot, and might be considered mediocre rather than bad). Every one of them saw the problems start at the beginning: the script/storyline. Wokeness, some bad acting, too much needless CGI, and other things also combined to make the problem. And we could see this coming at least as far back as with Captain Marvel (I would argue that the seeds of the rot were planted in Black Panther).

I think most would disagree about a few of those. Critics loved Shang-Chi. 91% on Rotten Tomatoes. Doctor Strange was well-received too.

I don't think either are masterpieces, but I probably wouldn't describe any Marvel movie as a "masterpiece."

GloucesterChief 02-22-2023 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16822968)
I think most would disagree about a few of those. Critics loved Shang-Chi. 91% on Rotten Tomatoes. Doctor Strange was well-received too.

I don't think either are masterpieces, but I probably wouldn't describe any Marvel movie as a "masterpiece."

Multiverse of Madness is like PG13 Raimi. It depends how much you like Raimi movies.

Shang-Chi was just a formulaic CGI fest. Should of been MCUs version of The Raid or Enter the Dragon or something else.

The problem Phase 4 had was instead of altering the Marvel Formula to fit the character they just square pegged round holed the movies and the writing certainly had taken a downturn.

GloucesterChief 02-22-2023 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBeauford (Post 16822863)
Pushed back release date for The Marvels and new poster.

Get excited!...or don't

https://assets-prd.ignimgs.com/2023/...6653861423.jpg

Squarely on the meh side.

Fish 02-22-2023 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBeauford (Post 16822863)
Pushed back release date for The Marvels and new poster.

Get excited!...or don't

https://assets-prd.ignimgs.com/2023/...6653861423.jpg

Captain Marvel was a turd. I gave up on the Ms. Marvel series after the first episode. Definitely pass until some reviews come out.

Just Passin' By 02-22-2023 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16822968)
I think most would disagree about a few of those. Critics loved Shang-Chi. 91% on Rotten Tomatoes. Doctor Strange was well-received too.

I don't think either are masterpieces, but I probably wouldn't describe any Marvel movie as a "masterpiece."


As this site frequently demonstrates, that really doesn't mean anything. That's true with superhero movies, as well as non-superhero movies.

dlphg9 02-22-2023 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 16822741)
I'm just saying that the problem isn't just one or two directors getting too much leash.

Black Widow
Shang-Chi
The Eternals
Multiverse of Madness
Love & Thunder


Some will defend one or another, and some were better than others, but they were all bad movies (Shang Chi was the best of the lot, and might be considered mediocre rather than bad). Every one of them saw the problems start at the beginning: the script/storyline. Wokeness, some bad acting, too much needless CGI, and other things also combined to make the problem. And we could see this coming at least as far back as with Captain Marvel (I would argue that the seeds of the rot were planted in Black Panther).

What wokeness?

Shang Chi was an excellent movie. Dr Strange 2 was meh, but not terrible. Black widow wasn't good. The Eternals sucked really bad. Thor Love and Thunder was a complete ****ing abomination of a movie and definitely had too much needless CGI. Wokeness had nothing to do with how bad these movies are.

You and a couple others idiots obsession with calling everything woke is about as reeruned as you can get.

Just Passin' By 02-22-2023 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16822968)
I think most would disagree about a few of those. Critics loved Shang-Chi. 91% on Rotten Tomatoes. Doctor Strange was well-received too.

I don't think either are masterpieces, but I probably wouldn't describe any Marvel movie as a "masterpiece."


Following this up, you can just look at history. Take a look at the BvS thread in this forum. Just go from pages 18-21:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...batman&page=18


You get a bunch of people overrating a shit movie, because they're too uncritical as both movie lovers and fanboys. Not to toot my own horn, but just because I did offer reasoning, compare my posts in those pages to the posts of those who were liking and defending the movie, and you'll see (hopefully) what I'm talking about.

Then go do the Suicide Squad thread

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...hlight=suicide

and some of the last Star Wars trilogy threads, and the reality that this place (which is really a bit of a microcosm of the U.S. movie geek world generally) is really shitty when it comes to giving good movie going advice should be obvious to you.

Everyone hates some great movies and likes some shitty movies, and that's fine. But that's also why the only way anyone should look at reviews for the sake of choosing whether to invest in the movie is to find reviewers who's likes/hates closely reflect their own over time. And it's also why people should acknowledge the quirk (yeah, I know that X is a great movie, but I couldn't get into it/yeah, I know that Y is a bad movie, but I really liked it anyway).

The Franchise 02-23-2023 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 16823435)

You get a bunch of people overrating a shit movie, because they're too uncritical as both movie lovers and fanboys. Not to toot my own horn, but just because I did offer reasoning, compare my posts in those pages to the posts of those who were liking and defending the movie, and you'll see (hopefully) what I'm talking about.

Imagine saying this on a football message board. Like you're some kind of genius when it comes to critiquing ****ing movies.

crayzkirk 02-28-2023 07:30 AM

I'm really late to the party. Watched the latest Thor and Dr. Strange movies. I don't think I remember anything about Thor other than it was trying too hard to be funny. And the whole Wanda/Scarlet Witch storyline didn't really engage me because her motivations make absolutely no sense. I don't have Disney+ and am not going to be watching the series tie ins. I guess I've gotten old and lost interest in all of this; I want a good story instead of a bunch of fancy effects and pretty people. Star Trek, Star Wars, MCU, DCU... What I have seen is that they have a hard time coming up with a good story and relatable characters.

Bowser 02-28-2023 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by crayzkirk (Post 16830171)
I'm really late to the party. Watched the latest Thor and Dr. Strange movies. I don't think I remember anything about Thor other than it was trying too hard to be funny. And the whole Wanda/Scarlet Witch storyline didn't really engage me because her motivations make absolutely no sense. I don't have Disney+ and am not going to be watching the series tie ins. I guess I've gotten old and lost interest in all of this; I want a good story instead of a bunch of fancy effects and pretty people. Star Trek, Star Wars, MCU, DCU... What I have seen is that they have a hard time coming up with a good story and relatable characters.

On top of that, I feel there might be a general feel of comic book movie fatigue going on right now added on top of how the product hasn't been on the same level as the Infinity War saga, as well.

Speaking of Thor - I just got around to watching the Snyder cut of Justice League, and it got me wondering if we'll ever see the director's cut of Love and Thunder. Supposedly they shot 4 hours' worth of film only to cut literally half of it and change the relationship between Thor and Zeus doing so. On top of that, there was supposedly going to be a scene where Jane's Thor was battling Galactus to go with a TON of other cosmic side stuff? Maybe one day we'll get a Waititi cut of Love and Thunder.

Just Passin' By 02-28-2023 12:04 PM

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Marvel Studios boss Kevin Feige announced the company will be cutting back on Disney+ shows following a disastrous 2022 that saw none of their shows crack the top 15 streaming shows.

Nielsen revealed their Top 15 Streaming Programs of 2022 back in January and only three Disney+ programs cracked the list: Encanto, Bluey, and The Simpsons...


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...In a wide-ranging interview with Entertainment Weekly, Feige revealed the company would be cutting back on their Disney+ programming.

Feige said, “We want Marvel Studios and the MCU projects to really stand out and stand above. So, people will see that as we get further into Phase 5 and 6. The pace at which we’re putting out the Disney+ shows will change so they can each get a chance to shine.”

When asked if he would be spacing them out or putting out fewer shows per year, he responded, “Both, I think.”

Later in the interview he would reveal, “I think when we are doing about eight projects a year — and again, I said this is going to shift a little bit — they all have to be different. They all have to stand apart and stand alone and be different from one another.”...


Kevin Feige Reveals Marvel Will Cut Back On Disney+ Shows After No Marvel Series Cracked The Top 15 Streaming Shows Of 2022

lawrenceRaider 02-28-2023 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16830387)
On top of that, I feel there might be a general feel of comic book movie fatigue going on right now added on top of how the product hasn't been on the same level as the Infinity War saga, as well.

Speaking of Thor - I just got around to watching the Snyder cut of Justice League, and it got me wondering if we'll ever see the director's cut of Love and Thunder. Supposedly they shot 4 hours' worth of film only to cut literally half of it and change the relationship between Thor and Zeus doing so. On top of that, there was supposedly going to be a scene where Jane's Thor was battling Galactus to go with a TON of other cosmic side stuff? Maybe one day we'll get a Waititi cut of Love and Thunder.

Hell, I'd watch it. The theatrical cut is terrible and felt disjointed as hell.

Bowser 03-07-2023 05:53 PM

Jon Bernthal is returning as Frank Castle in the new Daredevil show!

https://www.ladbible.com/entertainme...Zn8C9WMzkR1xSo

Fish 03-07-2023 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16842587)
Jon Bernthal is returning as Frank Castle in the new Daredevil show!

https://www.ladbible.com/entertainme...Zn8C9WMzkR1xSo

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Tribal Warfare 03-07-2023 07:32 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RUMOR: James Spader will reportedly return as Ultron in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MarvelStudios?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MarvelStudios</a>&#39; ARMOR WARS! Details: <a href="https://t.co/qkkwPBwnQU">https://t.co/qkkwPBwnQU</a> <a href="https://t.co/O3BiVBZ9Sb">pic.twitter.com/O3BiVBZ9Sb</a></p>&mdash; MCU - The Direct (@MCU_Direct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MCU_Direct/status/1633175199289065473?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 7, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

KC_Lee 03-07-2023 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 16842723)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">RUMOR: James Spader will reportedly return as Ultron in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MarvelStudios?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MarvelStudios</a>&#39; ARMOR WARS! Details: <a href="https://t.co/qkkwPBwnQU">https://t.co/qkkwPBwnQU</a> <a href="https://t.co/O3BiVBZ9Sb">pic.twitter.com/O3BiVBZ9Sb</a></p>&mdash; MCU - The Direct (@MCU_Direct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MCU_Direct/status/1633175199289065473?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 7, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Loved Spader as Ultron. Just the right balance of charm, humor and intimidation in his voice.

Tribal Warfare 03-14-2023 02:18 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ke Huy Quan will reportedly be playing a TVA agent in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Loki?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Loki</a> Season 2 who is in charge of the organization&#39;s tech, similar to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JamesBond?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JamesBond</a>&#39;s Q! Full details: <a href="https://t.co/aAMQf6kVjL">https://t.co/aAMQf6kVjL</a> <a href="https://t.co/c1O3kvCQsU">pic.twitter.com/c1O3kvCQsU</a></p>&mdash; MCU - The Direct (@MCU_Direct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MCU_Direct/status/1635497451149819905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 14, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Tribal Warfare 03-21-2023 02:56 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OFFICIAL: Disney+&#39;s X-MEN &#39;97 will feature the return of Mr. Sinister as a villain in the series:<br><br>&quot;[He] has a pretty foolproof plan to destroy the X-Men once and for all!&quot; Details: <a href="https://t.co/XpSUeY3uIf">https://t.co/XpSUeY3uIf</a> <a href="https://t.co/x2ZUI3SHXX">pic.twitter.com/x2ZUI3SHXX</a></p>&mdash; MCU - The Direct (@MCU_Direct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MCU_Direct/status/1638079368403595264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bowser 03-21-2023 09:48 AM

Was pretty bummed we never got Sinister after they teased the Essex Corporation after X-Men: Apocalypse.

Bowser 03-21-2023 09:52 AM

Razorfist is not a fan of what Marvel is doing and where they're taking the stories (nsfw, clearly) -

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The Franchise 03-21-2023 09:53 AM

Razorfist is what I assume JustPassingBy acts like when anyone ever asks him his opinion on movies.

Bowser 03-21-2023 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16867214)
Razorfist is what I assume JustPassingBy acts like when anyone ever asks him his opinion on movies.

Then JPB is pretty damned clever and funny, lol.

FTR, I completely get the point he's making about the multiverse angle, but I don't really care about that. I actually dig it, even if it's a cheat code for the writers. What I do agree with is the storytelling has gone to shit since the Ragnarok/Infinity War/Endgame wrap up of Phase 3. That's one hell of a high standard to have to match going forward with every single item they're putting out, but some of this shit has been just that - shit.

Have a better product and nobody is going to care about the machinations of the overall storyline, imo. Just be good and entertaining.

The Franchise 03-21-2023 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 16867220)
Then JPB is pretty damned clever and funny, lol.

FTR, I completely get the point he's making about the multiverse angle, but I don't really care about that. I actually dig it, even if it's a cheat code for the writers. What I do agree with is the storytelling has gone to shit since the Ragnarok/Infinity War/Endgame wrap up of Phase 3. That's one hell of a high standard to have to match going forward with every single item they're putting out, but some of this shit has been just that - shit.

Have a better product and nobody is going to care about the machinations of the overall storyline, imo. Just be good and entertaining.

I meant more along the lines of him droning on for 15 ****ing minutes with nothing but word filler while thinking that his opinion is somehow more important than anyone else's.

The Franchise 03-21-2023 10:07 AM

I get it. The movies and tv shows for the most part have sucked but that was almost guaranteed to happen eventually. End Game was their high point and nothing was going to be as good as that after. It's also why I haven't really watched any movies in Phase 4. Still haven't watched the new Dr. Strange movie or the new Thor movie. Watched No Way Home and thought it was great. Haven't watched a lot of the TV shows but that's more because the characters they have...don't ****ing interest me.

But did people actually think that these movies were just going to continue to be A+ movies across the board? They aren't making them for comic fan boys. They're making them for mass audiences of different genders, ages and interests. They aren't going to follow the comics to a T because that isn't going to bring in money.

Maybe I just stopped giving a shit once they hit that End Game payoff and I don't really get the hate of "Marvel movies suck now!". Then stop watching them. Find shit that you enjoy watching.

Just Passin' By 03-21-2023 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16867214)
Razorfist is what I assume JustPassingBy acts like when anyone ever asks him his opinion on movies.



Has Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania been a box office flop?

Victoria Alonso Departs Marvel Studios After Nearly Two-Decade Run


https://www.patriotsplanet.net/BB/st.../th_coffee.gif

Direckshun 03-21-2023 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16867214)
Razorfist is what I assume JustPassingBy acts like when anyone ever asks him his opinion on movies.

Would you believe RazorFist also doubles as a """""""""""political commentator."""""""""

Would you believe that Bowser saw fit to post the wisdom of said Razorfist into the DC forum.

Bowser 03-22-2023 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16867779)
Would you believe RazorFist also doubles as a """""""""""political commentator."""""""""

Would you believe that Bowser saw fit to post the wisdom of said Razorfist into the DC forum.

DID YOU KNOW

That's where he got his start?

Bowser 03-23-2023 12:30 AM

Victoria Alonso has been fired

https://comicbookmovie.com/marvel-st...1204#gs.tda874

Just Passin' By 03-23-2023 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16824256)
Imagine saying this on a football message board. Like you're some kind of genius when it comes to critiquing ****ing movies.


Imagine being you and having to see the posts that followed you, with the numbers on Ant Man 3 and the news about Victoria Alonso.


LMAO

The Franchise 03-24-2023 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 16871812)
Imagine being you and having to see the posts that followed you, with the numbers on Ant Man 3 and the news about Victoria Alonso.


LMAO

Oh shit...was I supposed to read any of that? You've mistaken me for someone who gives a ****.


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